I had a recent exchange with a FB “friend” who was bemoaning the loss of their FB friends due to her endorsement of Trump. I attempted to find out what were the underpinnings of her support for him.
The post began: Because I don’t support the left and I therefore support President Trump my fb account has been decimated.
I asked (FKO): Why does it have to be an either or argument or decision? You could support a more moderate or centrist position. Many conservatives look at Obama as a leftist. Obama was (is) a centrist.
Nevertheless I’d like to read from you about the reasons why you are supporting Trump’s presidency. Could you please be specific?
FBF (Facebook Friend)- a preface to her subsequent remarks: I say you are uninformed and following a very dangerous group of Satanist[s] including pedophiles and those who desire to kill 90% of [people] through poisonous food, medical treatments, and water. May God bless you to see the truth.
(did not provide information about “Satanists” or “Pedophiles” – but there are those that don’t care about people due to greed and profit allowing food to be poisoned by chemicals and the poisoning of water – such as in Flint, Michigan and possibly by some medical treatments all through Corporate interests that Trump supports.)
(In answer to why she is supporting Trump) First there are over 40,000 sealed indictments for people who have committed crimes against humanity for the above stated crimes. Many are the leaders in this country. An indictment means there is sufficient proof. Thus drain the swamp
FKO: An indictment is a charge made against a suspect and is not proof of a crime having been committed. Proof of the commission of a crime comes when a jury or judge finds them guilty as charged according to the law.
Your statement does not hold up since an indictment does not indicate guilt or innocence for a crime. And since they are sealed no one can know what they the 40,000 were accused of.
FBF: Yes not until they are arrested and go to court. But responsible insiders are leaking some info.
FKO: Who are they? (The insiders?) They are breaking laws to leak? What websites do you get your information? Do you cross-reference your suppositions with other sources? and/or with independent sources? Who is getting arrested and going to court?
What I don’t understand is how you can ally with Trump when he condones violence and offers an example to others that it’s okay to be violent?
FBF: That is too vague a statement. The left is inciting riots. Is that not violence? [see footnote 1 below]
FKO: You have not answered my questions. When he was campaigning he said he could shoot someone on the streets of NYC and get away with it – That’s just to start. [There is no evidence that the left is inciting riots anywhere in the nation.]
He wants to arm teachers with guns.
In Montana revently he condoned the Republican Congressman who assaulted and choked a BBC correspondent because the congressman didn’t like the question, that kind of behavior was applauded [by Trump].
Where to you get your information that: “The left is planning to instigate a revolution if the republicans win the election.”?
He demeans women and mocks them. How is this the act of a loving peace-maker? He abuses laws that separate immigrant children from their parents and plans to repeal legislation-protecting children from being separated from their families creating more family discord. How is the Christian thing to do?
FKO: I submit that protests get out of hand and violence occurs. Look what happened in Charleston, VA when a right wing hate group member used his car to commit violence and murder.
FBF: I do not believe Trumps backers are paying people to do this violence. (Who said they he was? not me.) They are individuals acting on their own. Research Soros he is known internationally for supporting govt coups and now he’s doing it here. The info won’t be easy to find. It will take a lot of digging. [see footnote 2 below]
Melanie Trump is not an oppressed woman. She is one of the most independent women I’ve seen. All those incidents you’re talking are fake news. Again the left owns the media and they print slander about him. [my italics and highlights] [see footnote 3 below]
FBF: I do not feel as a spiritual person that I owe my country to anyone. Would you let all the homeless of [your locale] live in your house? [see footnote 4 below]
- The left is not an organized group. People protesting sometimes, regrettably may resort to violence.
- Maybe Trump is not paying people to “do this violence” – hopefully not. The individuals are acting by the example set by the so-called President, which could be far worse that paying someone to commit violence because it is both inspired and said this is okay -per Trump. Right after Trump became President-Elect a group of young men in a pick-up truck frightened a young woman who was a mental health client by revving their engine -driving up onto the sidewalk and calling her derogatory names – Trump’s explicit message was “its okay to spread hate”. There is no evidence to support the Soros group – supporting government coups – this is a right-wing conspiracy theory that has no facts to support it.
- When all else fails – critical thinking, logic, looking at reputable news sources on the right, middle and left, then the fake news card is played. Aka my mind is made up with alternative facts and I will not explore the facts that the majority of the world sees as facts.
- “I do not feel as a spiritual person that I owe my country to anyone.” I don’t know what this means –maybe a righteous attempt at being an individual? Or could it mean every man, woman, and person for themselves? If so this is very sad and holds the destruction of community. And “Would you let all the homeless of [your locale] live in your house?” – besides this being illegal, against all health code law – and they would not all fit – what does this mean? Where is the logic in that statement? How does it follow from my remarks? I don’t know. She may be a lost person or is not very good at explaining herself.
PS I ended up unfriending this woman, not just for her pro-trump posts but her religious posts and messages sent directly to me via Messenger.